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KamikazeChicken · Jul 17, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Anything Anet could possibly do update wise is too little. This is because the chance of buffing all the worthless skills is extremely low, but they do well at balancing overpowered things properly.

<3 Izzy and the people who help him.

Kaguya · Jul 17, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

I choose PUDDING!

I mean, can you do such thing as balance too much? Balance is when the ye olde scale is in the middle between both sides. If there's no balance, then the scales go too much in one direction or another.

Balance is good, there's never too much balance. Maybe the question should be, is ANet balancing too fast for the playerbase?

floppinghog · Jul 17, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Matix411

PVE is getting absolutely ridiculous.
There's no concept of 'just exploring' anymore, because the amount of in-game monster mobs is getting outrageous.
I know, for places like Marhan's Grotto in prophecies, there are missions that get you closer, if not directly to the town. But if you're a true RPer like myself, you want to run yourself there, and you want to do it in a fun, adventurous way.

Other people may have an easier time doing it, that's good for them. I'm just saying I often find myself exiting the game because I can't do a simple task like exploring.

I agree with you in terms of exploring, the areas are called explorable area... well to be honest i can't even look at the sky without being mobbed.. lol even after i kill em all its still got the feeling of just work. i wanna walk around too, in an area like the crystal desert - you could explore there, for what it was worth, you could.

i'm hoping gw nightfall is like prophecies in respects to open lands, less mobs crunched together, and more about the PVE more about the enviroment. (yes Anet, give us the ability to break down bridges like it was advertised - yes i remember your statements.. its about time we saw more than gate locks.)

on topic: balance whatever, but i would like more of an explaination as to why some updates are done - damn it.

Silent Kitty · Jul 17, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

Balance is good, there's never too much balance. Maybe the question should be, is ANet balancing too fast for the playerbase?

Or you could ask yourself if the pvp balancing is unbalancing pve? My answer is "Yes!", but I already know what Anet's policy is. They gladly sacrifice pve gameplay for pvp gameplay.

Sectus · Jul 17, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I personally think they should do as much balancing which is necessary. And I think they should do more balancing than what has been done. There's currently builds out there which are very unpopular and which many feel destroy the fun of the game. I'd like to see anet re-balance those (and if they can't be balanced properly, destroy the builds)

I don't have anything against nerfs. There's been plenty of times skills I reguarly use has been nerfed, but as long as it was changed for a good reason I think it's great.

I just hope that anet will be willing to actually change how skills works instead of re-balancing numbers. I think something like IWAY shouldn't be balanced, I think it should be changed so much it can't be used in the way it's used now. Because it's in the current state it's just not fun.

Crimson Ashwood · Jul 17, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

?!?! ... is there ever such thing as too much "balancing", in a game that's SUPPOSED to be balanced. I mean, come on!!! Balancing is ongoing, to be accepted. If you don't LIKE balancing, stay away from balanced online RPG's... go play Neverwinter or something.

I'm all for balancing, and the recent update made the elementalists more effective. GOOD! Maybe I'll see some in town someday... rather than a mass of warriors LFG. :/

twicky_kid · Jul 17, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

I don't mind updates or balancing. They need to do more updates more often.

My problem is when Anet decides to nerf something they try to hit a home run with the nerf bat. Instead they should do it in small adjustments instead of nerfing past it being usable. Then 6 months later decide to bring it up to par with the other options. E-drain is the perfect example of this. There are many more examples of the same behavior.

More updates with small adjustments.

majoho · Jul 17, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

It's a fair subject but useless as a poll.

Why? Since no one here are able to properly assess if the balance is right.

People will have opinions on it, but they will also be super biased one way or the other.

Abdul · Jul 18, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Not enough balancing imho, still a ton of useless skills that never get buffed (eg. Otyugh's Cry) or when they do get buffed, the change is so insignificant it doesn't matter (eg. Dwarven Battle Stance which has been buffed multiple times and is still a waste of an elite skill).

As for PvP changes affecting PvE, I see this as an excellent thing. PvE is already too easy and quite stale, any change to increase the challenge, or encourage players to try new tactics is for the better. Personally, the warrior 'nerf' has made very little difference for me in PvE, I really think players are just using this balance issue as a scapegoat for their poor playing skills.

Opeth11 · Jul 18, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Pudding sure is coming up recently as the wildcard in polls =/

Crimson Ashwood · Jul 18, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by majoho

It's a fair subject but useless as a poll.

Why? Since no one here are able to properly assess if the balance is right.

People will have opinions on it, but they will also be super biased one way or the other.

SUCH a good point. How many people truely believe that have a full and total understanding of all the skills, they way they work and the impact of skill tweaking on real in game dynamics. Not many I'd say, I sure as hell don't.

Give the Guild Wars team a little credit for what they do.

Beat_Go_Stick · Jul 18, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by Shaznat

I personally come from the PvP side of the game, and I think they should make balances more often. There are so many skills in this game that are overlooked and unused, while there are others that are staples to almost any successful build. If they made balances more often, the metagame would change more often, and would make for a more interesting experience...

Ah, but the problem is that the updates they seem to do is simply to nerf the skills that are being overused and to fix the ones they've previously nerfed. How often do updates make skills useless? Very often. How often do you see updates make skills that are so lame they can't even be used properly in PvE? Rarely...and that's being generous.

If you ask how often I would like them to balance skills that are underpowered to allow for more variety when it comes to skill bars, my answer would be 'bring on as many as you can'. Unfortunately nearly every one of the updates they perform makes the game less fun and more limiting instead of more diverse and vast.

That, my friends, we've had too much of.

Fyre Brand · Jul 18, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

I don't mind updates or balancing. They need to do more updates more often.

My problem is when Anet decides to nerf something they try to hit a home run with the nerf bat. Instead they should do it in small adjustments instead of nerfing past it being usable. Then 6 months later decide to bring it up to par with the other options. E-drain is the perfect example of this. There are many more examples of the same behavior.

More updates with small adjustments.

I think they do that mostly. I like smooth minor adjustments too. But sometimes it's nice when they shake the playing field up a little. This last update was great. I think they are doing a good job with the updates and not throwing too many of us at once.

WhiteZombie · Jul 18, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

This game is not balanced. Every time when something gets nerved, it is in favour of the monsters we fight. The individual player gets weaker and weaker, while monsters are not touched or only get stronger.
Maybe it's balanced PvP wise, but certainly not PvE wise.

pve is easy enough already.

Jetdoc · Jul 18, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Mmmm...pudding.

Markaedw · Jul 18, 2006, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Of course PvE will always be second place to PvP, are there celebrity PvE players in asia, when was the last time there was a Droks Run world champianship, or a internationally veiwed THK mission. PvP is what gets attention. As such PvP will alwys get preferred status, lets face it no matter what A-Net says, PvE will always be treated as second class. Any skills/armor that hurts PvP, regardless of it's effect on PvE, will be altered.

Shadow-Hunter · Jul 18, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Well looking at the last update as a Warrior player im pretty #¤"#¤"¤#ARRR#¤" over it... The knights/Ascalon fix where okay, since it was stupid that my boots could reduce dmg for the whole body. But making the Shields only absorb pysical dmg has been .... very annoying... Becouse that 2-5 extra dmg aint much for some.. But while tanking alot of enemys that crappy 5 absorb turns into alot of reduced dmg..

The Dmg reduce was mainly what made the Warrior into a better tank than a Goemancer, and other chars that just buff on their def.. Yea warriors still got absorb vs Pyscial.. But seeing how anet is trying to avoid areas with pure pysical dmg enemys (they are trying to avoid ppl farming -.-) then there is allways alot of huge dmg ele mobs there, along with some mesmers and necros.. So that Pysical absorb aint really worth shit..

looking at the "update" of factions itself.. Then i dont really like it.. The old explore thing where you walk around and watch the nice stuff there is like in the dessert and Southern siverpeaks is just gone.. Cantha is just ucked imo.. you walk, a little and get either Arm fah or Onis into your face from out of nowhere..

also there aint really the good old places being wierdly long away like Dragons something that is north of the Flame temple corridor.. Great place imo.. Some unique mobs, but still the thing that you can explore the area and walk alittle around.. Not just some close packed place full of dredges that has healers that is somewhere undefeatable with henches and the like..

Also Running in cantha is pretty much gone.. since you need a quest before being able to enter the new town, and the dude who want to enter that town need to be there himself x.x And further then all places that seems runable has all kinds of enemys that is just impossible to run past without Echo Spellbreaker..

One place we had to run in Cantha was the luxon supply running witch was pretty fun untill it got nerfed.. =/

I mean sure i can take changes.. But i just think that Anets way of "balancing" allways seems to be: Nerf the most build/skill/Char that is most overpowered in PvP atm. Then the 2nd most overpowered build or what ever gets used for a while untill that get hit by a mega nerf..

~Shadow

Caleb · Jul 18, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

Anything Anet could possibly do update wise is too little. This is because the chance of buffing all the worthless skills is extremely low, but they do well at balancing overpowered things properly.

<3 Izzy and the people who help him.

I couldn't have said this better.

Guild Terror · Jul 18, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

anet are nerfin the wrong things, there are bigger issues that need solving, but there solving the little issues

and pve is cared for more than pvp, most of gw players are pve, there are updates because face it, when skills are nerfed it has a bigger impact on pvp, pve is almost unaffected, accept from a few peoples builds.

solve the big issues

Alleji · Jul 18, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

This game is not balanced. Every time when something gets nerved, it is in favour of the monsters we fight. The individual player gets weaker and weaker, while monsters are not touched or only get stronger.
Maybe it's balanced PvP wise, but certainly not PvE wise.

Because monsters totally don't use the skills we do.

And yes, it's not balanced PvE-wise. If you do everything the proper way PvE is ridiculously easy anyway. (And by "proper" I mean don't attempt to walk from drok's to grotto bypassing missions at lvl 14, get groups for the few hard missions instead of henching them, etc)